Here a little change of pace! I appeared on The Messy City with Kevin Klinkenberg, a podcast dedicated to discussing development and design of the places in which we live. It’s a great podcast and always leaves me thinking. Here’s the Messy City episode in which Kevin andI talk about these development and planning concepts and how they interact with regular folks. I hope you enjoy it and check out the other great episodes of the Messy City.
https://kevinklinkenberg.substack.com/p/writing-the-story-for-your-city-or#details
Within the Realm 